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Can we step back for a second. Looking at all the proofs on both sides of this well-documented and exhaustive – and exhausting – thread.

So, the proposition is that Jews as a nation are not allowed to do certain things. The material for that is one agadta with several commentaries, mostly in the 20th century. I do understand that a national state was not on a horizon for many centuries, but still the issue of such national importance would deserve larger halachik attention over time. And if we conclude that the issue is important but was neglected over centuries, then we need to sound an alarm and devote more resources to this analysis, and maybe in a more serious and honest, less-partisan, way rather than relying on several Rabbonim who issued their opinions on this important topic on both sides. I am not dismissing those opinions, just saying more is required. Compare, for example, with early teshuvos on electricity and such questions as opening a fridge on shabbos. Early teshuvos are by now totally forgotten when people got used to devices in homes and Rabbis learned a little more about physics.

Here is an anecdote from early Israeli life that illustrates how view on halocha changes when there is a state (legitimate or not). Israeli police had to deal with genavim and gazlonim who would steal cars on Shabbos. They asked a shaila and a Rov explained that this is just property, so obviously you cannot drive to catch them, but, for public policy reasons, you can do midrabonans such as use a bike. You just need to picture yourself mishtara following on a bike the thieves in the cars. Another rav allowed the cars in order to prevent all cars being driven into Jordan.