- This topic has 11 replies, 9 voices, and was last updated 5 hours, 38 minutes ago by .
-
Posts
-
What Tefilos should be recited to daven for the safety of Russian-Jewish soldiers?
Joseph,
The same as for Israeli-Jewish soldiers, which I’m sure you say on a daily basis.
Which Russian-Jewish Soldiers are we talking about?
Russian-Jewish Soldiers in Eretz Yisrael?
Russian-Jewish Soldiers in USA?
Russian-Jewish Soldiers Russia?
Russian-Jewish Soldiers Europe?This is not the first time when Jews were found on two sides – there were Jews in Austrian and Russian armies during WW1 (aka Great War). There were reports of Jewish soldiers seeing tzitzis on the niftarim and wounded in the enemy trenches.
In the case of Jews in the Russian army, if they are there against their will, maybe we should include them into tefilos for shevuyim? If they are there voluntarily, then maybe honen hadaas, ask Hashem to give them sechel, and if they are real reshayim then in minim. I doubt, though, that there are many – It seems that most of russian army recruits are contractors from prisons and remote areas.
May hashem rescue them from all danger and protect them always
Russian Jewish soldiers in eretz yisrael are jewish.
I think doom was the only one to answer Joe’s question
According to Joseph, Not Israeli obviously. Everyone else.
Stirring the pot again are we?
same as israeli or ukrainian or american soldiers. some might say “if they are there against their will, maybe we should include them into tefilos for shevuyim? If they are there voluntarily, then maybe honen hadaas, ask Hashem to give them sechel, and if they are real reshayim then in minim.”
but, chazal have already established a mi shebreach for all shevuyim as well as v’al’malsihninm for the reshoyim. So, have all the zionist and american and russian and ukrainian jewish soldiers in mind that the good ones should be freed ASAP and the and bad ones should be destroyed.
ujm, there were multiple mysterious posters at the beginning of Russian invasion into Ukraine with such views that then disappeared. You got some very chassidishe people not only writing in Yinglish, but having impressive history knowledge correlated to soviet textbooks. I presumed they were part of Russian cyber war where they went into all kind of online publications. Are you their long-term resident and got new orders?
There is more historical anti-semitism in Ukraine (and in Poland, and in Lithuania, and in Germany) than in Russia – for a simple reason: Russian empire did not allow Jews enter it, with few exceptions. Even after Russia conquered Polish areas with large Jewish population, those were limited to beyond the “Pale” – previous borders of Russia (incidentally, “beyond the Pale” is something that applies to your posts too!). As to current population, a large swath of Ukraine is Western-oriented (and many are currently in Europe). They can’t be that antisemitic as they voted for a Jewish comic as President, however assimilated. Russia mostly stayed the same it was under Czars and Commies.
But I will give you. As much as I think it is reasonable for Ukrainian Jews to defend their country against an invasion, it will be reasonable for Russian Jews to defend their country when Chinese attack it. As to participation in an invasion, directly or indirectly, see writings of Abraham Heschel who cryptically writes in 1930s, under Nazi censorship, that Sephardi Jews were prosecuted but avoided being victimizers themselves – as they would have been during La conquista de América if they were to join the invasion. This was written for those German Jews who lamented that they were not accepted as true german nationalists… Same applies to nebach russian jews
> Many Russians and Ukrainians in Eretz Yisroel are Goyim.
As mentioned in another thread, someone who always points at others, should be himself suspected.They are obviously more intermarried than Israeli Jews (thanks to Zionists who brought them to EY and thanks to Arabs who refused to mix with them!) but not that different from American Jews. At least Russian/Ukrainian Jews have official passports that list nationalities and patronymics, so Israeli Rabbanut can figure out who is legit for marriages. Also, they have secular marriages that can be simply disregarded. And at the end, they are survivors of decades of prosecution and ignorance … way longer than European Jews under shoah… Probably, only Spanish marranos have a longer history of survival.
I am told that there is a special russian-speaking department with kosher Russian Jews who spend time checking those documents and calling up grandparents to confirm. So, I would say, if you are confronted by Russian Jews who were married in Israel, they have chezkat kashrus.
At the same time, in this country, you need to deal with non-O marriages and conversions; with O-marriages without non-O divorces, leading to mamzerim … So, I think we need to be humble here.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.