hatakan: i am sure you know that gemuruh regarding the three oaths in kuf yud alef in ksubos has been explained by the zionists either as not lehuluchu (a minority opinion or just a medrish) or that once the goyim broke their part of the oath (to not be metzaer the jews too much) then the oaths were now broken.
not that it matters really but personally, i do not think any of this is shayich when it comes to a discussion about israel. israel is a country. its government and population is partly made up of zionists (a shrinking majority) partly made up of goyim like russians, partly made up of arabs and partly made up of jews who are not zionists (a growing minority). the zionists view the state of israel as a culmination of the zionist dream but the jury is still out on whether that will be case (most probably will not be the case). it is a country which as president obama told the egyptians “will not be going away.” the question is what happens to it. the chofetz chaim believed it is important to make sure that the country end up in the hands of the god fearing jews who are shomrei torah and mitzvis. rav yoel held it should be rejected and renounced. i am too small to tell whether rav yoel was right or the others were right but i accept the non-r’ yoel mehalich.
in a way israel is only seen as a zionist state by the arabs (who are afraid to tell the world they hate jews so they say they hate zionists) and the followers of r’ yoels doctrine. (and i know r yoel was not the only one to hold this way i just use the term because he was the most prominent).
i do not think anyone should take lightly the position of r’ yoel and those who share this view but i dont think its so pushitt to say everyone else in the world must be wrong. its a disagreement but we continue to live together and march together under the banner of torah and mitzvis.
itll be quite easy to point at different groups and label them as non-jews and i dont think its a good idea.
nor do i think that we should condone a judiasm without haluchu. the conservative movement believed that unity of the jews must be placed above everything else including haluchu. at the end, through their shitta there were no unity, no jews and no haluchu. so history has taught us that for there to be unity there must be torah and haluchu for which all must strive. but within that framework we must allow for differences of opinion so that our small and fractured nation doesnt become more fractured and smaller.