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aries – no one is putting all the “blame” on women and girls! CALM DOWN! this thread is bringing to attention something that is currently a problem in our circles. There are many other issues that are spoken about – shmiras halashon, how many shiurim, seforim and speeches focus on that. What about limud Torah, Bitul Tora, Talking in shul during davening or krias hatora… i don’t believe it’s only me who notices them. No one is saying that all of our problems are because of tznius. We don’t have niviim to tell us. We just have to do the best we can. and this thread is talking about one specific problem in klal yisroel.