About Time, I’m guessing you were quoting Gafne.
Part of what he’s saying I understand:
“The idea of “Working Chareidim” is fiction and a joke. A “Chareidi” is someone who is mechanech his children to obey the Gedolei Yisrael. Period. What’s the difference if he’s working or not?”
Here’s the part I don’t understand:
“I’m totally not ignoring the fact that working people have problems getting their children accepted to Yeshivos. We must establish institutions that are suitable for all the different parts of the population. We just opened up this week a new school in Elad for this tzibbur…”
Note- he’s definitely not saying that we have to integrate children of working fathers into the Yeshivos that already exist. We must set up new, separate (!!!) institutions for them.
Why?
Can you, About Time, or anybody else, explain why the children whose fathers learn full-time and those whose fathers work and are kovea ittim cannot sit next to each other in the same classrooms, learn from the same Rabbayim (or Mechanchot), and play together at recess?
I can agree with Gafne’s final point (perhaps with a bit of hesitation) that the learners are the elite. But why can’t they, like Shevet Levi, spread out among the people to be a positive influence? Why are their children not allowed to learn Torah in the same classrooms as the “less elite” members of society?
(My hesitation, in case your wondering, comes from the fact that to my understanding, the whole idea of “Elite” is anathema to us. We are all here to find our path to sincere Avodas HKB”H. The reward and award system is not designated by us mere mortals in this world; it’s for the Next World. Which is probably where “Olam Hafuch Ra’isi” came from.)