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Avram in MD
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gavra_at_work,

Hate to do this, but Chazal say that Aniyus is a necessary quality for Kinyan HaTorah (I don’t think anyone is at the point where they are beyond eating only bread, salt & water, and sleeping on the floor of the Bais Medrash).

Two points:

1. Do you think poverty can or should be defined in this way for a non-agrarian society? Are you asserting that there is no food or housing insecurity among Chareidim in Eretz Yisroel?

2. You are quick to mention what the gemara says about the sacrifices that should be made for Torah, but what does the gemara say about supporting limud Torah? Does the concept of tzedaka end once you think that everyone has some bread, salt, and water and there are enough batei midrash to provide sufficient floor space for all to sleep?

If the end goal is to learn as much as possible, you (and other Charaidim) should embrace Aniyus.

While this may be proper for someone to hold this for himself, I do not think it is proper to say it to someone else.