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“I agree with you that how you present things to goyim or secular Jews in the workplace will make a very big difference and will yield better results.”
With an attitude like Fievel’s (aside from it being 100% wrong) it is very hard, if not impossible to have a normal attitude towards people coming from “dark and evil” places.
“Regardless of the intent of the health care providers, and regardless of the way you present the facts, it is important to always remember the Torah view that we value every second of life and what we need to do to preserve it.”
This is not completly true, I hope these issues never arise, but if ch”v they do speak to a Rav competent in these matters.
“The Torah way is the right way”
I said so several times
“This new idea of killing off old people and feeling it is valid “
Nobody is killing anyone
“but where do you think this new way of thinking came from? This was NOT the norm years ago.”
It came from new developments allowing for a long time in any state. The advances in medicine have been amazing.
Regarding your father, I have no idea about the specifics in the case, and was not referring to it. I used it as a springboard for a far-fetched hypothetical case
“And if you are frum, then you need to also believe that if Hashem wants the other patient to live, blood will show up for him too. That KNOWLEDGE should fill your head with room for nothing more!”
I have read many of the Jewish MEdical ethics discussions on the subject. There are different ways to determine who gets it first. None say what you said.
” And where does “low” eminate from? ” (regarding money in nedicine)
In eminates from the new reality where people are living longer and longer. Costs are only going up, with more advancements and people living even longer. brace yourself… it is going to get worse much worse
“As an answer to your non question, I certainly would have given all my clothes, cars, food and home to keep my sisters or parents alive, even to sit near them while they lay comatose. Wouldn’t you?”
why only your sister? You can sell all your stuff today go to the nearest ICU and pay to keep someone alive. You can find a Jew or even a frum one. (With frum people it is less of an issue, since we b”H have a strong support system).
Keep in mind people are “drowning” every day. The comparison to two drowning individuals is more apt. The ICU at my local hospital (A large regional hospital) is full to capacity, The ER is backed up pateints are often diverted elsewhere.
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“I also wish to add my voice in protest to the way Feivel was addressed. He deserves much more respect than that, “
His ideas are wrong and backwards. It is one of the most untrue vile things i have read on this site. I toned down my language to have it approved
“and his words deserve more consideration as well.”
I have considered them. They are the furthest thing from the truth. It pains me that so many people in our community can be so misguided. It pains me to think of our chinuch system that can raise someone with such false views and to think they are “Torah based”