Feivel
“But I guess as you say that’s not relevant to the question of the moral status of “modern” society. . “
Remeber it was banned So society is improving!
It is not relevent to the subject at hand it is relevent to the “question of the moral status of “modern” society. . .” That isnt really what we are discussing. It did copme up in passing on Friday, and I responded, that there are areas where our morals are improving (treating minorities, mentally ill, war, and now we can add banning partial birth abortion to improvments in morality,) granted we have a long way to go
Minor quible “Cracking ribs is an unfortunate unintended potential side effect of a life saving procedure.” Not potential, it is definite, in the cases I’m reffering to. But I dont disagree on your general point on this matter.
SYAG
2scents said “overloaded” I repeated it and was careful to put it in quotes, since it was not MY wording.
That you can ask that indicates you have not understood my point either. I am not sharing my view on the matter, regardless of what it is, I put Torah first, as has been stressed repeatedly. I dont get to have my own view.
what I am saying is this:
Those who have another view than I do are not automaticly coming from a “dark and evil place” They may still be wrong but not evil.