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“PAA, why don’t you debate him directly on Frumteens? “

I think PAA’s point is that it’s not worth all the debating anymore, so to PAA it’s pointless debating the frumteens mod.

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“MDG, YW. Your proof is not a proof. “

Which proof? The Ramban? My point about the Ramban is that he changes his definition of the Mitsvah (FROM conquering as a tsibur TO settling as a yachid) when going from antiquity to modern times. I see that change in wording as significant, and I am linking that change with the 3 Oaths. To me that change in the Ramban fits well with the 3 Oaths.

If you disagree, please elaborate.

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“Besides, the other nations ratified our right to a state in the San Remo conference a few years after WW1.”

I have been thinking of this since last week. The San Remo conference would not undo the 3 Oaths because there was nothing tangible. Even after the Balfour declaration and the San Remo conference, there was still limitations on immigration (1st Oath – shelo yaalu behoma) by the ruling powers (2nd oath – shelo yimradu). In my opinion, as I wrote above, the 3 Oaths were not absolved until May 14, 1948.