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Joseph
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Sam: Jews have, at best, been treated as second class citizens virtually anywhere Jews have lived at least as long as we have been exiled since the destruction in our current golus. That is the point of golus, which still continues and will continue until Moshiach comes. It helps us remember we need Hashem to send Moshiach. The medina is not Moshiach and the medina certainly did not stop Jews from being treated badly. Not even in Israel. (65+ years of war and terror is not a first class or first world living arrangement.)

So we are “okay” with being treated as second class citizens so long as we can at least practice our Torah life even if it need be under the radar by trying not to rub shoulders too much with our non-Jewish neighbors. Better that than to poke the bear and be angry that it bites us. We lived far far better under Arab rule, both pre-Islamic and post-Islamic, than we did under European rule, both pre-Christian and post-Christian. And that was generally true for the past 2,000+ years until the advent of political zionism advocating (and then implementing) “Jewish” sovereignty over Palestine.

Sure there were exceptions both ways. Yes, there were isolated pograms in Arab countries. But peace was generally the rule for periods of hundreds of years. And 20,000+ Jewish deaths in Israeli war and terror victims since 1947 (and not even counting the pre-’47 Jewish victims) plus six digit numbers of maimed Jews in that same period, does not even remotely equate to any period of us living under Ottoman rule (or pre-Ottoman Arab rule) for any similar period of years. Both in Palestine itself as well as in other Ottoman and Arabic countries.