Reply To: drush v'kabel s'char

daya zooger- my bad, you are right that there is no chiluk by klb”m between kenas and keren. You’re also right that if the kid admitted to the stealing, then he doesn’t have to pay the kenas–but he still has to pay the keren, so the question stands.

I also am unsure about your point

???? ????? ???? ?? ??????. the mishnah says he is killed now so that he will die “zakai” and not “chayav.” The punishment is clearly a preventative measure (since the bsu”m is a rodef, as some say), and isn’t really connected to his theft and gluttony, which are not sins that deserve death.

I’d love for you to explain the point about the beged ripping on shabbos. I don’t see it as related: the guy gets misah because he did a melachah and is patur from the nezek because of klb”m. by bsu”m, the maaseh that he did (stealing/eating) is *not* why he is killed (as we said earlier, it’s about him being a rodef and al sheim sofo), so perhaps the action itself doesn’t have the strength to push away the gezeilah under klb”m.