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EretzHaK – no, im really not interested in giving examples because that has nothing to do with this conversation. We were talking about what people do and rubashkin was brought up (as always) with comments stated in the definitive for m about what he did and what he was convicted for and what actually went on. My statement was that people should not speak up and give definitive statements about things that they do not know definitively. And before you start playing games with the word definitive, I am talking about people saying, “Well rubashkin wasn’t really blah blah blah” as opposed to saying ,”well I was under the impression that rubashkin blah blah blah”.