Notyeshivish: The Zionism being discussed here is not the Zionism that was preached for thousands of years.
As for the other point you mentioned, well you’re absolutely right, this thread seems to have degenerated into a petty argument full of senseless attacks and sinat chinam. Go back to the begining of the thread and you’ll find an intelligent conversation with some very well written posts, especially the link to Joseph’s rather long post which I found to be well written, well researched and fairly objective. ( it is extremely long but its worth a read)