Reply To: YWN: Gedolim Backed Nachal Chareidi At The Onset, Albeit Quietly

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ubiquitin
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Hardly DY.

I am not bolstering any opinion. When I want to I certainly know how, you have seen my extended rants on more than one occasion. I am just adding a helpful tidbit to point out things aren’t as black and white as some seem to think.

In the other case you are referring to, I added a pasuk (before your mareh mekomos were visible) which is not taken out of context. As I understand it it is a clearly saying that the burden of milchama should be shared by all. Now obviously there is what to be said as learning also protects, perhaps todays milchama doesn’t have the same staus as then etc etc. I did not say (and di not mean to imply) that the passuk is open and shut case to the OP’s post. THe OP was asking for mareh mekomos and I provided, what I believe to be a relevant one. I have never attended a shiur where a person brought up a topic and said here is the pasuk, veiter next topic, and am surprised that you think that is what I meant.

Similarly in this situation. The idea that laymen cant have an opinion on something that Gedolim discuss, is foregin to Traditional Judaism. This is a yet a new twist on the “Daas Torah” innovation. At least with classical Daas torah (as I understand it) we are mevatel our Daas to Gedolim, but are allowed to have opinions. American_yerushalmi seems to be saying that we are no allowed to have an opinion at all once the Gedolim have spoken.. I don’t understand how the passuk is “taken out of context” As I understand the incident. Yisro saw A Gadol doing something wrong and he voiced his opinion. Obviously with derech eretz, perhaps not in a public forum etc etc. BUt how on Earth is it not relevant. The passuk quite clearly indicates that it is appropriate “For laymen to comment on the opinions of the gedolei Torah” And that they can be quite worthwhile. After all a parshas was added because of Yisro’s speaking up. How is this out of context or k’neged halacha?

I’m not sure why you cant reply like a mentch. If you don’t think its relevant explain why. If you want clarification ask for it