Reply To: Feminism

Clearheaded there are numerous instances in Torah where the Jews were told to fight and kill the enemy.

Does that mean that everytime any Jew sees anyone who might be an antisemite he sould instantly jump up and kill, him?

Obviously not.

So just because there are instances in Torah, of women being assertive, does not mean that the Torah ‘wasted words’ G-d forbid, in taking about women in general being submissive, or that they are not usually supposed to be, just because there were cases where they weren’t.

Kasha posted:

“Reading some of the comments on this thread, I must sadly conclude that even some of our Torah observant brothers and sisters are more influenced on this issue by the Gloria Steinem’s, Betty Friedan’s, and Bella Abzug’s of the world, than by our Torah HaKedosha and Gedolei Yisroel who are our guiding lights. “

Exactly Kasha and that is why I started this thread, to get people to realize how much influence feminism has has even on the “frum” community where it can be ‘cloaked’ in halacha whioch can then be misused to promote things in the community that have no legitimate place in the community.

I for example, said in another thread that some people think that if a husband does not push his wife intio becomming some high powered career woman (and one example was a doctor) then HE is looked at by some as some kind of woman hater whi sees women as only objects.

And right on cue someone else asksd me “what is wrong with being a doctor” totally ignoring the part I said about the husband looking like a mysoginist for not PUSHING her to do it and b oth of them ignoring their primary responsibility of raising theur kids to follow Torah and not obsess over women having their ‘big career’.

I have never heard of any halacha or Medresh or Kaballa or Halacha or Gemarra or anything that says when a woman will get to the beis Din Shel Milia that they will ask her “Why didn’t you have a high powered career as a doctor or business woman?”.

I do think that one question could very well be; “Why didn’t you spend more time raising your children to be G-d fearing Jews?”

Not that they didn’t do it at all, but why did they not do it MORE?

They might be asked that there were many lessons on a daily basis they were supposed to teach them but they were too busy with their feminism and their big careers and were many times not there when they should have been and those lost lessons later on made a difference in how and what choices the grown children later made and why did those children have to make choices that wer poorer for the lack of those lost lessons and what did that big high powered career do that was so much more important then raising the children properly that later made such a difference in their lives?

Why did those choldren have to lose out on something that might have been small and a subtle but that they would have remembered at a critical time in their later lives, that could have made a very big difference in some decision that they made wrong, that they would not have made wrong if they had learned that lesson their mother WAS supposed to have taught them, and was not there to teach?

It’s not ‘just’ halacha it is also hashkafa.