Yserbius123: Fully agree with your explanation of the Emmanuel Bais Yaakov episode, but not the matter of chareidi support for pro-Palestinian rule. No reputable frum organization (emphasis on reputable), no rabbinical figure of any kind here endorses murderers of Yidden ruling in E.Y. The words ?????? ??????? in that 50+ year old ditty refer to non-acceptance or non-recognition of the zionist regime, but doesn’t express any sympathy for murderous arab terror organizations. As to following “Islamic time” — this clock was used by the Yishuv Hayoshon from Turkish times, and wanting to retain it expresses the rejection of the zionist takeover. (You just pick up stuff when you’ve lived here for a few years….)
Joseph: I guess the conversation has reached an impasse. You are not addressing my points or questions, and just keep on repeating your ideas, albeit with somewhat different wording at each posting. I mean, the very same Rav Elyashev, Rav Chaim, Rav Aharon Leib, Rav Shmuel, etc. whom you cited as supporting the parents’ efforts to keep the Israeli Education Ministry out of the decision-making in the Emmanuel Bais Yaakov — are the SAME who endorse and follow the psak of the gedolim of the previous generation who permitted taking Education Ministry funds. The two opinions are not mutually exclusive. Relieving the Israeli govt. of its funds is allowed; but their meddling in a school’s internal affairs is not, as Yserbius pointed out. As an aside, although the rabbonim surely supported the position of the parents at the Emmanuel Bais Yaakov, they did *not* personally came out to the public rallies. Rav Elyashiv zt”l was extremely ill and frail at that time (about 5 yrs. ago).
I respectfully reiterate my question to Joseph — the question upon which rests the entire disagreement. I, at least, am not insisting that Briskers and Satmarers abandon the ruling of their leaders.
So, please explain why you think that the huge tzibbur of chareidim, bnei yeshiva, Talmidei Chachomim who are following the decision of the Chazon Ish, the Steipeler, Rav Shach, et al, should abandon the psak of the gedolim whom they they have been following for decades.
Of course, you don’t have to reply, but I, for one, would be interested to hear your answer to this question. But, please, i beg you, furnish new insights and not just restating what you’ve already written. Thanks.