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Avi K
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Joseph, how is it that you are always wrong? The oaths are not found anywhere in he codes. Thus, they are not halacha. If they were used they were used to assuage gentile authorities who were very nervous about possible rebellions (in fact, the Czarist governemt outlawed the Zionist movement until it was convinced that it was an emigration movement and the Netziv felt constrained to write in the mitzva to appoint a king that different countries need different forms of government rather than different generations even though the mitzva clearly only applies to Am Yisrael in EY).

In any case, I have already posted several times why they no longer apply even if they once did. I will repeat the main points to jog your memory.

1. The gentiles violated their part of the bargain. Certainly the pogroms and Holocaust, both of which were government instigated, constitute persecuting us too much – and both occurred after Rav Kalischer.

2. The other nations gave us permission at the San Remo Conference so it is not rebellion (Rav Meir Simcha).

3. Hashem called on several occasions (Rav Soloveichik).

4. They were only for 1,000 years (Rav Chaim Vital).

So far as this Karaite is concerned, so what? The Reform movement was against Zionism until the establishment of the state and then a splinter group that called itself the American Council for Judaism continued to scream. So if you put in the company of a Karaite I will put you in the company of Reformers.