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GAW: “P.S. You have still not answered my question above regarding your claim of “Un-Tznius” while agreeing that it is “not Assur”?”

I know. Sorry, I didn’t have a chance to yet. Basically I was differentiating between two categories:

1. Things that are clearly assur. These are things that everyone has to stay away from, and no one can claim, “I am just not on the level”. (with the possible exception of someone in the process of becoming frum). If someone else sees someone doing something in this category, he has an obligation to tell him to stop (subject to all the halachos and conditions of giving mussar).

2. Things that it is better not to do, but are not actually assur. These are things about which one claim that there are different levels and while they are striving for a higher level, they can claim not to be there yet. There are levels within tznius as there are within many areas. Internet use could be another example of something within this category. It is better not to use it, but if someone feels they need to, they are allowed to although they should strive to limit their usage.

I’ll agree with your separation of “Issur” and “Mutar”, but argue regarding they are “better not to do”. Once you start down that road, Ein La’davar Sof (i.e. you admit the Burka women of Bais Shemesh are correct, and you should strive towards that goal). Therefore, all we have is what our Poskim have told us is “Tzniusa Yesairah”, but that is not a “Chiyuv” on anyone.

P.S. – Who created an “Internet” Issur? For example, if someone would use it all day for good and learning Torah, with Rav Chaim looking over his shoulder the whole time, is there an independent reason to limit usage?