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“Are you sure that Chassidim deny that? I never discussed it with a Chassid, but I would find it hard to believe. I brought that as an example because I assumed it was something that everyone agreed to.”
I am certain they deny it. (Obviosuly not all but generally speaking) Speak to a chassid ou will be told how the zohar was written prior to Sheishes yemei Beresshis but was only written by Rashbi and ten put into practice by the ARIZAL and the Besh”t but on some deeper levels all the Taanamim and Amoraim were secretly Chassidim.
(Full disclosure: This is what I was taught in cheider)
“Saying something is a change doesn’t necessarily make it wrong.”
Of course not, then all forms of Judaism would be wrong, since as Ive been trying to explain to you they all involve change.
“I think that the Dati-Leumi would agree that the Dati-Leumi movement was a new movement even though they think it’s correct.”
new because the circumstances are new, but We are what traditional judaim would look like if faced with an opportunity to form our own country.
“Can we all find something we agree on? I hate arguing. Thank you”
then whats the point of this forum? But ok Pizza is delicious. Maskim?