@Yekke re: post #1334394:
I reread your post (a few times). I really don’t understand what you are trying to say. I wonder if you misunderstood my point. I had been talking about the svara raised by Sam (and apparently your father) that it would only be possible to say that it might be muttar to continue eating the rice w/o a bracha if you had already started eating it.
That svara made sense to me, and I was bringing a “support” for it (although it’s not a proof). My “support” for the svara that if you hadn’t started eating the rice before you made the al hamichya then you can no longer eat it w/o a bracha (even if the halacha is that if you had started it, you could continue to eat it w/o a bracha) is as follows:
If you would say that, then you would also have to say that any time someone makes a bracha of mezonos and has in mind that it should apply to anything else they eat, then even if they make a bracha achrona and later decide to eat rice 12 hours later, they would not need to make a new bracha as long as they didn’t do anything in between to cause a hefseik.
Normally, there are 2 possibilities: a person makes a bracha achrona or he doesn’t. If he didn’t make a bracha achrona, he can continue to eat all day without a new bracha (as long as he doesn’t do anything else that causes a hefseik). If he did make a bracha achrona, he can no longer eat without a new bracha rishona.
The problem here is that we have a strange situation, since we have a food that has the same bracha rishona and a different bracha achrona. This is an unusual situation, and I don’t know if we have it anywhere else.
At the moment, we are operating under the assumption that the al hamichya was not chal on the rice (which is probably incorrect anyhow, but that doesn’t matter right now). Therefore we are assuming that one can continue eating the rice w/o a new bracha.
I am saying that it must be that this can only be true if he started eating the rice. Otherwise, any time that someone makes an al hamichya, he would not be allowed to make a new mezonos if he eats rice at any point that day before he goes to sleep (as long as he doesn’t create a hefseik in another way).
This could only happen with al hamichya and rice since normally any food that has the same bracha rishona also has the same bracha achrona (unless there’s something else like this).
Had you understood me? If so, can you please reexplain your point because I didn’t get it.
I just realized what your point might have been – Was your point that you specifically had in mind not to include the rice? Are you saying that if you hadn’t had that in mind, then you would assume that the rice was automatically included whether or not you had started it, but if you had it in mind, then it shouldn’t matter if you had started eating it or not?
I hadn’t been looking at it that way, because I had understood (perhaps mistakenly) that you weren’t originally even considering the possibility that the al hamichya could be chal on the rice even if you hadn’t specifically had in mind disclude it.