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Avram in MD
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The little I know,

You have drawn a parallel between absence of boundaries and rejection.

No I haven’t. I asserted that you drew a parallel between boundaries and rejection. And yes, they are definitely not the same.

The ultimate rejection, which is what the Satmar publication advocates is something I will never accept. Neither would the Divrei Yoel, and countless other rabbonim and gedolim.

I understand that it might be easier to swing your bat at the “Satmar publication” straw man than respond to my position, but it really does not further the conversation, because I am in no way advocating for the “Satmar publication” position as you present it (I have not seen anything about it myself).

And, no, I do not have any “straw” gedolim. I presented enough references from seforim to review and see the statements in print. And there are other seforim I have not yet seen.

I understand and have seen your references. What I am suggesting is that the sources you have brought state A,. And you are arguing that since A is true than B must follow. And I am disputing your B, not the point A.

A = A parent should always love and embrace his child and not reject him completely.

B = Boundaries are good in theory, but if a child has problems with boundaries, the boundaries should fall by the wayside, because it’s not loving or accepting to make a child with boundary issues face boundaries.