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@SHY- Lol, I actually have no clue what book you’re talking about. Not only do I not know its name, I was entirely unaware of its existence until you introduced it into this thread. I still don’t know its name, and have certainly never read it. There’s enough history freely available without reading whichever book in question. I do find it funny, though, that you immediately decided to turn my comment into a personal attack. In the litvishe world, the fact that frumkeit was in shambles in prewar Europe doesn’t make us nervous. We are not them and have progressed well in dikduk halachah. I simply wrote, very clearly “as an aside”, which usually means “unrelated to the topic at hand, though nevertheless a valuable idea you may find useful outside of the current discussion”, because that’s what I meant. Y’all gotta chill.

What does remain true is that the atzmus “explanation/answer” given here is entirely insufficient, and as DY pointed, logically doesn’t follow, mima nifshach. Secondly, CS has demonstrated an extreme lack of understanding of basically every concept of Tanya she has cited, using crude mashalim and kinuyim out of context, which is why I stopped actually arguing with her. I suppose this is the chabad education system’s fault, trying to teach little kids about things way beyond their pay grade, resulting in an (assumed) near universal lack of understanding and ability to internalize the sefer later in life. Thirdly, no answer has been given to answer up the kol yachol sicha, and, what I think is really the most damning, besides the actual hiskashrus “hashkofo”, is that I’ve never heard one word of condemnation from any chabad rov on any questionable practice/belief. I understand that you may think the bais moshiach magazine is questionable at best, and I imagine your rov does, too, so why is noone outspoken about theses cuckoo publications? I’m sure the best and brightest have no problem putting pen to paper when a litvishe gadol writes a critical piece on chabad, as has been the case in the past, so why can’t they do the same if chabad is being threatened from within? Also, why do those weirdos/black sheep continue to hold powerful positions within chabad. In analytical, logical thinking, most of this points to one answer. That everything written in this thread so far has been classic evasion, and the answer is a lot more uncomfortable than you’d like it to be. After a couple weeks learning in one of the big brisker yeshivos, I coined a line, which I think is very appropriate here. “Ein kasha iz a kasha, und tzvei kashas is shoin a yesod mit a raya.” How very applicable.