this is the problem of people being taught these matter when they are deeper than we think. this could be the reason why they were against chasidim then and now .these inyanim were not revealed by chasidim they were around beforehand yet they were careful with them because god and his torah is very serious its our lives.please dont start qouting nefesh hachaim because there are numerous things mentioned in this chat that he is specifically worried about .
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