Ok… a lot of fish to fry. Here we go:
1. “REITS leans Center/ Right-of-center
That is why much of left of center MO disparage it As little than ‘an orthodox Day School’”
RIETS and YU are more or less the same. The shiurim do not change. Meaning you can be in the shiur with R. Willig or R. Schechter or R. Twersky and be in the college or in semicha. I do agree that left of center MO seem to believe its too frum. Even in the non Yeshiva Program — the rabbanim are right. The kids may be less committed. I would not say they are “left” though.
2. “There an estimated 14 million Jews in the world with plenty of financial resources bl”‘h
how many Charedim are there ? a few hundred thousand bl”‘h? there’s so much That ought to be accomplished.”
Ans: The Chareidim are on the way to being a majority in Israel. When that happens — what happens to the army? What happens to the economy? No supernatural answers. The answer is that they have to get educated and help. This is no longer the 400 bochurim that Ben Gurion exempted. I have not yet to hear a serious answer — from anyone.
3. “the maskilim made a play in which a Proto Jewish Army was waiting to fight
kohen Announced out the verses To all those Fall within the rubric of the categories [ including fear of sin] to go home eventually There’s only two or four [depends on your version] left.”
Ans. I am not bright enough or well read enough to understand your comment. So — Ill answer something totally off point. The Charedim (i apologize for painting in a broad stroke) — are backward looking. (Not backwards). They tend to look at the past as the paradigm for the future (e.g. yeridat ha’dorot and the like). Thus, they still argue haskalah and Zionism. Yes, classical Zionism was anti-religious or a-religious. That’s gone. I am sure you have been to Israel and noted that even in secular cities — there are many people with kippot. Kosher restaurants. Soccer is played mostly (but not entirely) on Sat night or Sunday night. (Beitar does not play home or away on Shabbat). They look at the army as it was 75 years ago — where there was a movement to have separate religious and non-religious armies (fought against by R. Goren and Ben Gurion, I believe). The Charedim have an obligation to serve in the military (in some fashion) — which they owe the other people and the country. I am okay for now — if they acknowledge that and then figure out a way to serve. (My son, btw, served in Netzach).
4.What does academic exposure have to do with army service? Besides for yeshivot tichniyot there are many programs available for people to go to college. I know quite a few boys who have no secular education now learning to be lawyers, and psychologists.
“I know quite a few boys who have no secular education now learning to be lawyers, and psychologists.”
Statistically insignificant. There was one in grad school with me. He was brilliant and the exception. In Israel, it is very hard. How many Israeli born Charedi doctors are there, lawyers, engineers? Again, stastically insignificant. That being said, “amry service” and “academic exposure” are different. I agree.