Np
“It’s just that you put in two qualifications that sorta leave an eye of the needle opening big enough for an elephant to fit through
Qualification 1: “EVERY other Torah leader”
1) Avi Weiss is still a card carrying member of the RCA
2) Even with Lev Tahor, its not like the Gedolim all got together and issued a public joint statement regarding them. Worse then that, there was a frum publication with a Rabbinical Advisory Board that ran an article supporting them.
Qualification 2:
“there’s also shivim panim laTorah and there’s a difference between going against the letter or spirit of Torah (such as women reading from the Torah etc) and something that is merely an unconventional or unusual position to take.
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“Another indicator is that when borderline chiddushim lead to outright actions against Torah, as a natural progression of the whole, (as we have seen with the OO and now Lev Tahor in contemporary times) it shows that the questionable original chiddushim were wrong.
This would not work as an indicator because the people in the group won’t see it as being against the Torah. That is also the problem with the 2nd qualification above.
I would also suggest that it is appropriate to ask how the Gedolim regard the leader and his followers. I think one would be hard pressed to find Gedolim who would give the above individuals the time of day.”
Np its an overall picture like milhouse said. I was giving some examples. Btw this is the same concept as smicha where you have a mesora all the way back.
As far as the followers seeing no problem with anything against halacha because they think it’s fine, no I think any normal non drugged Torah Jew would fast realize. Because what it could down to is is there a one exception to the norm? Or is it an overall pattern?
For example: a friend of mine told me how in Satmar (where she grew up) they’re disencouraged from asking any questions. Now normally that would be cause for concern, but since in every other way they are frum yidden etc, its just their thing.
Vs the OO where if it would have stopped at having separate women minyanim where they read from the Torah, it could have been just their thing maybe, but now we see there’s a push against mesora in general, like siding with toeva etc and its looking more and more like conservative.