Takes3: You are using the same old ploy liberals use on conservatives. As soon as you lose your position, you go after the personal attacks. Congrats for taking a play from them!
No, I am not against gedolim. I am against people who put words in the mouth of gedolim which is contrary to the Torah. Unless you can provide a name of a gadal that states the torah words I mention arenot valid, I do not believe in the words you say that any gadol goes contrary to the torah words.
You brought a Ran, which we do not pasken like to meet your position. You bring every source to show how Hakoras Hatov is not required.
You have a mishna that states you should davven for the welfare of the ruling government.
The Navi says וְדִרְשׁ֞וּ אֶת־שְׁל֣וֹם הָעִ֗יר אֲשֶׁ֨ר הִגְלֵ֤יתִי אֶתְכֶם֙ שָׁ֔מָּה וְהִתְפַּֽלְל֥וּ בַעֲדָ֖הּ אֶל־ה כִּ֣י בִשְׁלוֹמָ֔הּ יִהְיֶ֥ה לָכֶ֖ם שָׁלֽוֹם׃. It is your achrayus to davven for the STATE you live in; regardless if it is Zionist or not.
We even offered Korbanous for the gentiles in the world in the Bais Hamikdash! But instead of going to the source, you distort the words of gedolim to meet your agenda. You davven 3 times a day for : אַתָּה חונֵן לְאָדָם דַּעַת. Is that just mere words to you?
We have Yekum Purkan, Av Hrachamin etc, were all written after Anshi kennes Hagdolah in the 11th & 12th century. They have the official sidder of Amsterdam also having a Mi Sheberech for the state in 1600 hundreds; siddurim from England from the 1800’s for Queen Elizbath, etc Please name ONE gadol who will argue that historically the frum shuls never davvened for the welfare of the state, prior to WW1. I have seen a russian siddur with it asking for the czar. You cannot argue historical facts.
Regardless if you think government deserves your hakoras hatov or not, the soldiers who put their lives on the line for you do!
I am flabbergasted on how people use the Torah to distort the basic premise that the torah states: Derech Ertez Kodma Latorah. Hakoras Hatov is the simplest form of Derech Ertez. And yes, I refuse to believe you when you state gedolim are against this premise of the Torah. I ask you name one gadol that clearly states we do not need to follow it.