Avi K
I feel for you trying to knock sense into people that are not tethered to reality, People that think that Torah is in an alternate universe. It’s pathetic to bring proofs from people when we have reality. 100 years ago it was up for debate, most weren’t on the side of Harav Kook (there were some but the Satmar way is to totally discredit anyone they disagree with so they became irrelevant). After the holocaust it became more reasonable but still perhaps not the right way to go. But now it’s just so obvious to anyone that has eyes that the future of klal yisrael is in eretz yisrael.
It is the only comeback story in the history of the world. It is a success beyond anything anyone could’ve imagined in any field that you want to name. If only the chareidim will partake in the incredible bracha we could only imagine what it would become.