Avram
No reason to get testy
Know why your last post is not germane?
Because my hypothetical situation was specifically asking what do you do when all else has failed.
If your way works then by all means do so but then by definition, all else HAS NOT FAILED!!! Get it?
There are certain children who will not comply with anything you do.
And there are certain situation when that child may need to be forced to do certain things.
That was the question
I am aware of most of the suggestions presented, and as I noted many are super
The question being discussed was is it ever proper to hit a child.
As usual the given didn’t really answer the question
IMHO the answer is
Yes
But not often
Look In אבן שלמה גר”א
ועל קללה ושבועה וכזב –תכה אותם ולא תרחם עליהם כלל–כי ח”ו
בקלקול הבנים יענשו אב ואם מאד. ע”ש
Shocking. Isn’t it?
he is telling you to beat them so they won’t sin because if they do the parent will suffer. According to most posters here that is totally not chinuch.
That’s self preservation.
And yet that is from the גר”א מווילנא.
Basically the greatest in the litvish world in the last few hundred years!!