Avram
How many times do I need to post that all of the beautifully laid out disciplinary measures laid out I agree with and should always be the preferred method.
Why you keep assuming I don’t know them nor tried them, is beyond me.
But yes there are children who are more stubborn then all that.
דברים לא יוסר עבד
The gemorah says at first Hashem tries softly if a person shrugs it off he says, I don’t really want to do this but you leave me no choice. Now I’ll hit you and let’s see you shrug that off.
Look at the פסוק לץ תכה ופתי יערים
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