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ubiquitin
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“If there was an amendment that everyone can own a car,”

you keep making the same silly mistake. The constitution and the supreme court are not torah Misiani lehavdil.
If you oppose abortion it doesn’t become “right” just because the supreme court says it is or even if an amendment gets added enshrining abortion as a “right”.

If unrestricted access to guns is a bad idea, then even if the constitution DID grant that, (though as mentioned it doesn’t) it STILL would not become a good idea.

“However, since this is the law, there is nothing that can be done besides protesting.”
That is absurd. you have no idea how government works. Laws can change. amendments can be added (thats why they are called amendments) The supreme court can (and has) changed their opinion. these are elementary concepts as to how government works. Its is amazing that you think “nothing can be done” once a law is in place, you have made lots of wrong staments in thsi thread. but this one ” since this is the law, there is nothing that can be done besides protesting.” i’s flabbergasting

I’d like to respond to your Jews part, but I dont really understand the comparison .

“There is no gun problem with law abiding citizens. ”
Ah except that there is! accidental gun deaths, are a problem too.
and besides, this line is silly, since often they are law abiding until they arent
and again we require car registries even though there is no problem. and please please dont tell me that cars arent protected, youve said thsi illogical argument 10 times it wont start making sense now (unless you can explain WHY say gun registries are bad. )

“The issues arises from criminals who won;t be registering their guns and get everything illegally anyways. .
So….. lets make it easier for them and harder to trace source of htheir guns. got it.
Is that your approach to drugs too. Lets sell percocet at supermarket checkout counters since criminlas wil l get it anyway. Why penalize law abiding citizens ( in pain no less) make them go to a doctor then a pharmacy

“So what you are suggesting is instead of penalizing the criminals, you also include the law abiding citizens. How’s that for democracy?”

who is penalizing anyone? I have to wait at a red light, is that a penalty? It is a rule that keeps everyone safer. That is EXACTLY how democracy works. We all give up some freedoms (eg running red lights) for the betterment of society.
you really need a civics lesson

and again you havent answered my question about Abdul.

Look, as Ive said if you say, “hey I like guns I dont care that we have one of the highest gun deaths in the world. It is part of my freedom to be allowed to buy 20 guns with no questions act.
I get that I really do. we can agree to disagree on that point”.

But be clear with your position, stop pretending we are forced by the constitution, or that other countries have this problem,, stop making illogical arguments like criminals will break the law anyway why try to stop them, Just recognize your own position., and be logical about it