Chosid –
Have you ever thought that maybe what you see at first glance may seem wrong, but if you delve in a little bit and learn the subject, it might give you some clarity?
Yes. And I knew little bits of things here and there about Chabad, but the most upsetting and not-okay information I have gotten is from people like you, here, trying to explain things. Over the past couple years I have carefully read and questioned these posters comments and the things you all have said (and that includes things CS said that others told her were wrong as well as TomimTiheye) as well as responses to my own questions and the things you all have taught me have been very disturbing. I have then approached Chabad and non Chabad people in real life regarding these things and I am now more certain that these things are both true and wrong.
Just look at the statistics, it’s not only Chabad that doesn’t consider them selves ovif havoda zara, it’s also many non Lubavitchers that say the same, litvishe and chassidish, and don’t forget that a big percentage of Chabad weren’t originally lubavitch, meaning they didn’t consider your concerns true.
sorry, no clue what this means…
So maybe think again and learn more about it, you might change your mind, like your neighbors.
Yeah, so I did think and learn and this is where I developed doubts I did not have before. And you (all) cannot keep assuming that if someone does not like or agree with the Chabad ways it is because they are uneducated. That is just plain incorrect.
As yeddin we don’t try to find a fault in someone else.
you are correct, we don’t. Which is why it is unfair for you to say that anyone who dislikes Chabad based on their rebbeim’s derecho and teachings is a hater, is uneducated, is speaking lashon hora or motzei shem ra. It’s time for you to become educated and stop finding fault as well. There are many people out there who have very legitimate reasons for either disapproving Chabad or considering it either kefira or a”z. It is BASED ON THE WORDS OF THEIR RABBEIM, POSKIM, GEDOLIM. Are you really advocating that people should go against that? I disagree very very strongly with people who run cash businesses but IF they are doing it with the green light of a Rav (based on his views of government etc) then I have no tayna on those individuals. THAT is what a yid is *supposed* to do.