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ubiquitin
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“please find out from him, chapter and verse, the punishment for a non Jew being meanes a non Jewish woman, and the source for special treatment (ie extra severity ) of a molester.”

Of course! But first let’s think through this. (though I’m not sure why you keep switching to “punishment” I said that it was wrong)

Having gone to a mainstream yeshiva, you must have encountered the chazal that there are mitzvos known to man without the Torah. It’s a gemara, Rashi brings it in Chumash. Are you familiar with this? Do you need chapter and verse.?

Now while I assume you encountered said chazal. It seems that you haven’t thought much about it (no fault of yours. what kind of self respecting yeshiva guy sounds time on Chumash or agadata we read it say that’s nice and simple and move on).

But take a second and absorb the above. There are some acts so abhorent that even without the Torah telling us we would know it’s wrong. (some say this is how goyim are to know all of their mitzvos) Surely, you can grant that being meanes someone falls into that category.
If you can’t grant that. then well, whether you give it weight or not, “that’s perverse thought ” and sadly I’m not sure we can continue since we must be speaking different languages

Thus it is wrong for a goy to be meanes someone (you seem to indicate that you weren’t sure about this, and you switch my question to punishment let’s stick to the above for a moment)

Again, although it doesn’t technically violate any of the sheva mitzvos it is wrong/bad/wicked/sinfull for a guy to do that.

With me so far?