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“I keep going back to punishment because that was my original question.”
But you only asked that after my question.
We will get to punishment. Don’t worry, but in some of your posts you offer (I assume inadvertently) mixed messages on the first step eg “But my point is that the western horror attached to “meanes ” seems to be completely missing from the Torah View.” and “So is it wrong for a non Jew to do such a thing? Of course. Just like its wrong for him to spit in someone’s face.”
Are you saying being meanes is wrong like “to spit in someones’s face”
“Ubiq your second post was posted before I had a chance to respond but I think I responded to it”
You did. you responded that you are unfamiliar with the Gemara, which I find surprising, though I’d have to apologize for criticizing your thinking skills. You simply are unaware of the Gemara
“”Mitzvos ? No I’m not familiar with it. Help me out””
Of course! Rashi bereishins 26:5 (I know how much you like chapter and verse) actullay says BY definition “mitzvos” are these self understood commands “מצותי. דְּבָרִים שֶׁאִלּוּ לֹא נִכְתְּבוּ רְאוּיִן הֵם לְהִצְטַוּוֹת, כְּגוֹן גֶּזֶל וּשְׁפִיכוּת דָּמִים: ”
So I ask you again. Would you say a rule againt being meanes someone is something you’d need to be told? Or is it self understood?
One comment of yours surprised me. “As far as a king, absolutely but remember for most of our history we haven’t had a king and it is actually looked down upon us when we asked for one. So that can’t really be the utopian ideal of taking care of issues”
Are you not aware that “som tasim aleicha melech” is a mitzvah? I don’t understand why you dismiss this so quickly