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“the brisker rav says…”
chapter and verse please.
how does that fit wit hthe Rambam in shmoneh perakim perke vav “הענינים המפורסמים אצל כל בני האדם שהם “רעות”: כשפיכות דמים, וגנבה, וגזלה, ואונאה, ולהזיק למי שלא הרע לו, ולגמול רע למיטיב לו, ולבזות אב ואם וכיוצא באלו. והן המצוות שאמרו עליהן החכמים, ז”ל: ‘שאילו לא נכתבו ראויות הן לכתב”
He gfoes on to say not to say “לא יאמר אדם אי אפשי (. . אלא אפשי ומה אעשה אבי שבשמים גזר עלי” doesnt apply to things we know would be wrong.
At any rate though your narrow reading of Rashi, (Gemara yoma really) side steps my point.
HOW would we know such a thing is wrong? (you say “nowhere indicating that we would be chayav” again, patientce we will get to punishment. first we need to settle whether it is wrong. I am not discussing punishment yet.
I assume we agree stealing less than shava peruta is wrong, things can be wrong without punishment. (bidei adam)
“same with that rashi.which btw does not say what you claim at all”
I quoted it verbatim, in its original
“But you only asked that after my question.”
end quote
… really?????”
Yes really. It is a follow up from a previous thread wher I asked my question
unlike you I will actually cite chapter and verse :
It was the thread titled “Waiter’s finger was in my my soup!” page 2 reply number 1718823
you addressed the question to me.
now if you look before that in my replies 1717271, 1716745 and 1716458 (all before yours) I asked my original question that I still havent gotten a striaght answer from you.
Is it wrong for a Goy to be meanes an unmarried woman.
In case you did answer and I missed it do you mind obliging and giving a simple yer or no.
I’m not asking if he is chayiv anything I’m not asking if he gets punished. Just did he do a bad thing ?
“im still waiting for the gemorah you quoted which im not familiar with
and mareh mekomos from your rav”
I never said my Rav had mareh mekomos.
Though relax we have plenty. Torah is perfect dont chas vesholom be worried that somehting is lacking. You are lacking a bit which is why you seem to be so afraid to answer straight forward questions. but together we will get the emes.
but one step at a time.
Again lets settle this simple point. Is it wrong for a goy to be meanes a woman, yes or no.
(forgive me for not replying regarding the king part we will get there but you get lost covering lots of points at once, or maybe its me but I have been asking thsi question several times now and I’m still not sure as to your view or a person being meanes, youve compared it to spitting, said ” the Torah does not view the act with the horror western “civilization ” does.” “OK is a vague word. I’m not sure what the issur would be though”, ” Same as stealing a penny”.)
NC
“Saying the Torah doesn’t prescribe a punishment for something is not the same thing as saying it’s OK”
agreed
“. He clearly isn’t saying it’s OK.”
Its not so clear, he seems to be equivocating in a few posts. and when I ask him outright I havent gotten straight answers . but I will keep trying he came close “Of course. Just like its wrong for him to spit in someone’s face.” Though I’m curious if he actually means that