but at the end of the day wehther you look at states or (western) countries those whit h stricter gun laws have fewer gun deaths
Where are you getting this from? States with stricter gun laws don’t always have fewer gun deaths, unless you are counting suicides by gun. Most honest people will agree that the “national discussion” is not about suicide, rather about crime and violence by guns.
Additionally, comparing against other western countries is not a fair comparison, as none have a 2A, nor the deeply entrenched gun culture. There are over 300 million guns owned by US Citizens, 1.2 guns per legal citizen (wikipedia). No other country in the world comes close. If legal gun owners were the problem, you’d know about it.