Let’s reiterate – no one’s quoted a single source documenting people who live in eretz yisroel who are orthodox, who did not sleep in a sukkah; not one, because it is unheard-of. Now then, we can return to addressing a lubavitcher. edited
“Yes, it is. See for example Sefer Hasichos 5699, sicha for 1st night of sukkos. See also Likkutei Sichos vol. 29 p. 211. this statement was documented by the Rebbe Rayatz and the Rebbe in their respective sefarim”
I asked if the miteler rebbe himself said this, and i had in mind the rashab, not 4 rebbes later. I’ll take the rayatz’s word for it and accept that the last rebbe didn’t invent the mitelers reasoning ex nihilo. Notice how i asked it in the form of a question, because i am not an expert on chabad seforim at all, and I wanted to know if this had any source. Still, a first hand source would be more pursuasive then something 100 years later. None of this has any bearing on my statements that the miteler had a viable heter and only then would apply kabalistic reasoning, but would never allow people to not sleep in a sukkah in eretz yisroel.
Aside from those two quotes from the last rebbe and his predecessor, you have produced no evidence of a warm relationship between rav hutner, rav moshe, and the lubavitcher rebbe, nor have you produced any evidence of rav chaim volozhiner being close to chabad rebbes – you simply say that you don’t have the patience, or that it is well known and not worthy of addressing. I quoted a very clear proof that rav chaim was not informed of the talmidei habesht’s shitos as seen in shaar 4; you simply brushed it aside by saying that historians (chaim dolfin?) say otherwise…
My comments aren’t evil; they’re just not palatable because in chabad world, you’re used to the imperative to make a “kiddush chabad”(yes that is a term used on chabad message boards, puk chazi). Insulting chabad is tantamount to insulting judaism in your mind, and attacking the rebbe is tantamount to attacking chas veshalom Hashem yisbarach. I personally know people who say that they are still frum because the rebbe wants them to be, even though they don’t care anymore what Hashem wants because of the hardship they’ve endured. No one can judge someone who went through difficulties in life, but we can indict a communal mindset which teaches that one must keep mitzvos because this is what the rebbe wants. I’ve seen in children’s periodicals that they asked a bunch of school aged boys why we do kiruv, and several responded “because the rebbe says do”. I can go on and on about the problems in chabad, but you’ve only thus far answered some technicalities, which i will address, yet the pathology i wrote of you ignored. Perhaps because you’re unable to say openly that the rebbe is not divine and that he does not know your thoughts and does not hear your prayers. You may also not say openly that chabad does not believe itself to be the Ultimate Truth and the only truly authentic Judaism. To say so would be to betray your beliefs, unsavory as they may be to outsiders. The lubavitcher rebbe himself told rav yoel.kahn (i believe it was him) to remove the atzmus elokus line from subsequent printings of likutei sichos. He didn’t deny its “truth” pnly he was afraid (rightfully so) that outsiders would see it as idolatrous. And they did. The chazon ish said so when word came out of atzmus elokus statements ( as heard from rav shlomo brevda)
Saying sholom aleichem and talking by a wedding is something i would do with anyone who i know as an acquaintance, or really, anyone who I just met, because what else do yidden talk about? Especially rabbonim. The fact that this is your evidence ( of course, that is hearsay itself) is very telling. Yes rav moshe received r”t tefilin from the lubavitcher rebbe, no he did not ask for it. He did however decide to wear them. Rav Moshe was exceedingly humble; he also used honorifics with just about anyone, and talmidim have told me that he did so because he wanted his psakim to be niskabel in klal yisroel (leshem shomayim of course, and i mean that seriously – he knew who he was and what his position as posek hador meant).
The fact that the lubavitcher rebbe sent people to him with shailos only means that he held of him (shocker), but rav moshe never to my knowledge sent anyone to ask the lubavitcher rebbe a shailoh.
Chaim dolfin is by no means a historian or authority. Would you consider David berger an authority too? Or is it only lubavitchers that are historically accurate?