HaLeivi > you are going to prove something from what you made up?
this is from traditional sources, the source I can’t recall or look up right this second
> ignores every single one of Avira’s points
I was addressing the one about traditional learning lifestyle and those who interact with the world. Yaakov goes to Lavan upon the command of both of his parents (each with his own shitah – away from Esav or to get married, but they both think he can make it in a goyishe world) and learns from Ever practical halochos.