“I am not insisting on “no limits” position”
shlom al yisroel!
“unfortunately everything is viewed as partisan, so even you’ll propose “reasonable” measures, the other side will see it as an attack and fight back.”
YES! NAILED it!
The word you are looking for that describes a group that opposes “reasonable” measures is unreasonable
The reason I brought up Heller, was just to show that the constitution argument is fluff. I understand why people like guns, I get it completely.
Thought experiment:
Say we find the minutes as the the 2nd amendment was written:
“Ok so we agree that states need a milita”
“Yes, very important”
“What if someone thinks it applies to individuals”
“Easy lets write “A milita being necessary…” Like this nobody could possibly think it applied to non-militia members”
“Ok but still a bit risky, we can’t have a free for all militia with who knows who has weapons”
“Ok lets make sure it is “regulated””
“I don’t know guns can be dangerous, I’m not sure a little regulation is enough”
“Ok lets make it “well regulated””
“Ok so it is settled the amendment protects a milita only, not individuals”
“Yes though make sure to write “well regulated militia””
[all in unison] ” Agreed! Huzzah”
“On lets make sure we all sign these minutes and clip it to the bill of rights that way it will never get lost and can be consulted on in the future should some group wonders why we included that phrase”
Would your view on guns change at all?
My guess is no (correct me if I’m wrong)
You would argue that even if not in the constitution it is an American tradition, people have the right to defend themselves, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun… (again correct me if I’m wrong)
THAT is my point. I’m not trying to convince you that more gun control is necessary. I’m trying to show that the reason those who support guns do so has nothing to do with the constitution, without the constituion you’d have the same view. So forget the fluff arguments and stick to real ones