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That was predictable.

Ner yisroel is a Yeshiva kedoshah; the talmidim are not all yeshivishe. Some are, and some aren’t. Many frum YU boys would be comfortable there.

I didn’t say that a prohibited thing is allowed for parnosa. We allow less than ideal things for parnosa, and several rebbeim justified their presence in YU in those terms, including rav yerucham gorelick.

Shortly after the clubs came out, frum people like rav abba bronspiegel, rav parnas, and others left YU and started Landers in Queens. The kids are basically the same chevra as YU, but the atmosphere is more controlled, and there would never be an LGBT club.

As for rabbi shechter and rabbi willig being accountable; the world outside YU doesn’t consider them gedolim, much less people who we follow blindly. The real hypocrisy here is that YU ideology doesn’t believe in accepting daas Torah or the inability to cast doubt on gedolim… You can’t have it both ways. YU has no problem questioning, for instance, chumros of the brisker rov and seven questioning his mental health r”l, but if you dare question rabbi yoshe ber or rabbi shechter…. It’s a total double standard.

As for the kol torah in the beit midrash; I’ve been there. Some hoys learn. How many of them are learning and not engaging in higher Talmudic criticism? Who knows.

Ever been to BMG? All 5 campuses? It’s a lot more. I’d estimate is that altogether, BMG has about 8 times the amount of students as YU. Especially considering YU is the only place where the graduates of modern schools go to learn, while BMG is the largest of hundreds. Really tells you a lot about the results of MO Chinuch.