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AviraDeArah
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I suppose the beis halevi just didn’t know about the crusades or tach vetat – oh well. Such chutzpah is exactly what’s under discussion here.

And to conclude from the Holocaust that people were spared because they didn’t follow the gedolim? The chazon ish said that such people are apikorsim (maaseh ish)

The facts are like this: the Nazis came within a few days of reaching eretz yisroel. Several miracles happened which impeded their army – do you think the anti Torah settlers deserved that? No. The reason why there was no Holocaust in eretz yisroel was, said the chazon ish, because the frum responded to it properly… They davened, and recognized the gezeros as being from Hashem, and didn’t rely on shtadlonus like their european brethren

As for American jewry, gedolim have said different ideas… Some say that the zchus of all the tzedaka they give protected them, others say that they hadn’t gone off… They simply were never on to begin with.

As for tzadikim suffering … Chazal address that by the churban, where many good jews were killed. Chazal say that poranius, punishment, begins with the tzadikim! You should learn how chazal understand antisemitism; the beis halevi is really just a gemara which rashi quotes on “veavdil eschem….lehios li”, that if you’re separate, you’re mine, and if not, you belong to Nebuchadnezzar.

I’m shocked at the amount of ignorance here. I’m not saying any chiddushim.

Re tach vetat and the crusades; gedolim discussed those issues. Assimilation usually leads to punishments, but it’s not the only sin possible. If jews are separate but talk in shul, they are also liable for punishment, as the tosfos yon tov was told min hashomayim during tach vetat itself

Want to know what the seforim say about suffering? Go learn them! They all attribute it to our sins. It’s basic judaism.