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Dear Yserbius,

I could get behind you ideology, but your post is terribly flawed. It makes it sound like you don’t really believe it, you just hate Lakewood. I know you don’t think that. Because I also know that you don’t really know Lakewood.

There are a bunch of Mesivtas that are only gemara. (Why do you keep mentioning Halacha?) But ten hours a day, is a lot. Most Mesivtas schedule around eight or nine hours a day. (Whether only limudei kodesh. Or plus limudei chol.) Maybe the top Mesvtas have ten hours of seder. I guess this is what you call nitpicking.

The RY that give advice to all the startup high schools, is openly pro english. He says he tried and couldn’t get it done. He still recommends it. and one of his own sons even got his own diploma on the side. This may be negligible to you, but from within Lakewood it is a known refutation to the argument UJM is trying to make.

Lakewood is not an ideologically driven place. Maybe long ago. I don’t know. Now it is invested in the pursuit of happiness like everyone else.

Whatever the reasons of the likes of UJM may be, it is not anti Torah in this argument. His Tznius and Morals may be anti Torah. But his educational outlook is not.

I don’t think the worry is batala. It is a lack of trust. If I teach my kid algebra, he will hack the computer and get on the internet. If I teach him history, he will be a maskil. If I teach him science, well, everybody knows that every scientist is a kofer. The funny thing is that most of these adults learned some secular studies when they were younger.

I don’t know what disaster it would lead to, other than have a dumb conspiracy driven community that can’t learn Torah because they can’t think straight. But that is not something askanim would care about. So please clarify.