“Medicare already exists, its popular it works
all we need to do is expand it. We can lower age to 55 then 45 etc etc”
Once people made it to Medicare eligible age, I’d put most of them in the category of those who take responsibility for themselves. The bulk of them are retirees not doing stupid things like drugs, drunk driving… Once you start lowering Medicare to start including the age rage where people don’t take responsibility for themselves it’ll fail.
“I’m not defending the ACe, mentioned that earleir .”
Why aren’t you going to defend it? If the government failed catastrophically at the ACA, why do you think they’re going to succeed at something that’s going to be much larger?
“Other countries manage. We can do it! don;t give up so easily We are the best USA USA ! We put a man on the moon! We can do anything! Murica!!!”
What other country has citizens that are as unhealthy as US Citizens and has universal healthcare that works? In order for it to work the citizens need to start taking care of themselves and get themselves healthier. This will take a few decades but can be done. As of now we’re heading in the wrong direction full speed so I don’t see it becoming feasible within the next few generations.
“Do you disagree that high paid CEOs are needed for health insurance companies to function?
Yes”
Can you explain how it would work (or show some examples) without high paid CEOs?
“It wont last. I ve said this several times. for profit healthcare system CANNOT work. By design to profit they HAVE to deny care. people have to needlessly die/suffer. You said this.”
What I meant was for you to go ahead and start a not-for-profit company that pays all claims and become its low paid CEO. Let’s see how long that lasts.
“now if you say the benmefit outweigh that. fien I hear. I disagree but Ihear.
But then you miz up your messages and tell me that healthcare companies need to make a profit.
YEs that is YOUR position not mine. I have said that a few times. I am not sure wh yyou keep repeating that.”
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
“No Not finally.
I said that from the begining when I pointed out that you hypothetical was illy.”
I mentioned numerous times that my hypothetical situation was meant for @jackk just to get a starting point where we’d probably agree on something, unfortunately he (and @CTLAWYER) refused to acknowledge the post. It was NEVER meant to represent a situation that can ever come up in real life.
“Yes for a healthcare company to profit they have to deny healthcare. people need to suffer/die/go bankrupt. There is no other way.
(you said this to me a few times as if I didnt get taht, I get it that is EXACTLY the problem with outr current system. IT CANNOT work for everyone)”
Yes, I said this and I still stand behind this. It’s unfortunate and it doesn’t work for many people. I sympathize with them and wish something can be done. Unfortunately, the amount of people that the health care system won’t work for will sky rocket if the government takes over which is why the current system needs to stay in place for the time being. Like I keep saying, just because we have a system that doesn’t work 100% of the time for 100% of the people, doesn’t mean that you throw it out for a system that is guaranteed to fail.
“The only way to have it work for everyone is for the government to step in.”
This is 100% wrong. The system will not work for everyone if the government steps in and will eventually collapse- possibly taking all aspects of healthcare with it.
“There are 2 reasons I can think of why someone would oppsoe this
1) Dont think it would work
2) don;t think governemtn should be involved even if would work.”
I’m in the first category (as well as probably every sane person in the country who currently has health insurance)- I have no problem with the government running it- as long as they have a realistic plan. The last time they tried this (i.e. the ACA), they failed miserably. The only people in the second category are probably sovereign citizens and those who wear tin-foil caps.
“1- I don’t fully get. so make it work. It works for Medicare it works in other countries. It works for dialysis patients expand it to cancer expand the age for medicare.”
So make it work? That’s easier said than done.
(I’m not familiar with kidney dialysis but does Mediare actually pay for all their expenses?)