Neville Chaim Berlin,
“Wasn’t meant as an excuse, just a reminder to n0m and any passerbys that we are the normal ones here and you guys are the cooky ones, as I’m sure you are fully aware if you’ve ever gone off on these unhinged rants in front of normal frum people before. One doesn’t have to be an expert on eruvin to know that Reb Moshe was asser Brooklyn. You just have to not be a crazy person. And before you start whining that I’m not arguing in good faith by saying all of this, let me just remind you that you have concluded almost every single paragraph with an insult to the intelligence of whomever you were addressing.”
The reason being because of the lies being presented as fact on this forum. Stop for a second, and be modeh that you do not even know Rav Moshe’s teshuvos, and yet you insist on arguing in his name. No one denied that Rav Moshe objected to a Brooklyn eruv, and you cannot demonstrate that I said otherwise. My point is that the facts are not like Rav Moshe was led to believe and accordingly (from his teshuvos) an eruv can be established. Would Rav Moshe have actually allowed, knowing these facts, no one knows. However, to add to his chiddushim is unseemly.
“I think his point was that the need for a BP eruv (and even Flatbush) proves that one could not put one all the way around Brooklyn, as they did last year. As stated earlier several times, we don’t have a problem with the BP eruv; it has its rabbonim with their reasons. The discussion is of the new, all-Brooklyn eruv. There’s no way you can apply your “comparable to KGH” logic to it.”
Actually, I offered several reasons why Rav Moshe would allow an eruv in Brooklyn, I never said that he would allow the entire Brooklyn for the same reason as KGH (go back and read what I said). However, he would allow because of mechitzos (which I stated was the reason), and the population does not fulfil his requirement of 3 million.
“He obviously had easy access to census data. This is an example of an “excuse,” if there ever was one. Any time people don’t like a Rav’s psak, but still want to respect the Rav, they come up with a wild conspiracy that he was purposely lied to about the facts or some such nonsense.”
The facts demonstrate that his numbers are incorrect. I do not need to prove if he did or didn’t have access to the census (in fact it really is beyond just census statistics). Rav Moshe is not a rebbe. He wrote his reasons, and that is the only thing we have to work with. Only when the issue is eruvin, do people have a problem that we peruse the teshuvos to see if they are applicable. Rav Moshe objection was based on his facts, they either do or don’t pan out.