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n0mesorah,
“I don’t know eruvin. Knowing eruvin means having learned well every Gemara with Rashi Tosafos and the Rosh. And then retaning near instant recall on every pertinent point. That is the standard I was taught in yeshiva to know a mesechta.”
Typical Yeshivah guy, doesn’t even mention the Shulchan Aruch, and the Nosei Keilim. However, I will add that from the few issues that one would really have to know the syguos (to be mashlim), is regarding eruvin. Since the SA does not mention all the issues explicitly. Otherwise it would be sufficient to know the sugyos, if one learns through the Bais Yosef, or maybe the Aruch Hashulchan and Mishnah Berurah (I am not denying that a great posek would need to know the sugyos as well). The fact that you did not even mention the SA is proof positive you have no shychus to the halachic process.

“I have never seriously learnt the topic, though I have read plenty of Iggros Moshe.”
I am sure that you never learnt through all the teshuvos regrading eruvin in Igros Moshe. The most fundamental to his shitos OC 139, is very difficult (and absolutely brilliant, demonstrating his absolute mastery of kol haTorah) and very few people have learnt through it thoroughly.

“It would only be fair to first learn the teshuvos that immediately preceded him to know what standard ideas he was coming from. I could argue what Rav Moshe says. But not what he holds. Which cannot be deduced from his teshuvos alone. And anyone who only throws around one line from two dozen teshuvos, is a fraud.”
I as mentioned above, you simply have no inkling how the halachic prosses works. Teshuvos are meant to be dissected and are the only words that can be relied on. There is no such a thing as someone writing a teshuvah and others come around and argue that they heard otherwise. As the Noda Byehuda’s son writes, there is no end to rumors, and they should not be accepted. I don’t care what others say I have the teshuvos on may side. The fact that you argue that I am throwing around one line demonstrates that you are intellectually dishonest. First you did not even know what I was referring too. Then when I cite that it is in two different teshuvos, you have the temerity to say that it is one line of a teshuvah. How many lines in the first teshuvos of Igros Moshe regarding the issue, was 4-5 times shishim ribo mentioned? As I wrote, the last two teshuvos on the matter Rav Moshe clearly stated that his shita is a population of 3 million. The only fraud is that up until this point you sold yourself as one who knows the inayn.

“Such a fraud probably knows that Rav Moshe’s talmidim all say he never published exactly how to measure the 600,000 (Or any number.) for reshus harrabim linyan Shabbos.”
As I said above I do not believe those who are disagreeing with the teshuvos. In fact it can be gleaned from those who make statements contrary to the teshuvos, that they actually do not know Rav Moshe’s teshuvos at all.