n0mesorah,
“1) How do you know what Rav Moshe was lead to believe? He quotes a ‘city map’. If you know the map to have been fraudulent, then say so. (And then produce the map. Or something like that.)”
Oh I thought Rav Moshe was quoting the census. Now it is a map (you finally looked inside). First of all, we do not know what kind of map he is referring to, since maps usually do not give population statistics. Two, it is irrelevant. The fact is there was much less there three million people in Brooklyn. Even more so, over the 12 mil by 12 mil section of Brooklyn (there was also much less then one million people coming into Brooklyn). There is no doubt that he was mislead. I know a lot more about this, because I heard it from the Muzayer Rav who was involved, but I will not cite his side of the story because it is not written (I actually have a copy of the map and statistics that he sent Rav Moshe, which was the underlying cause for Rav Moshe to pen siman 88).
“If your deducing from some inconsistencies, that Rav Moshe was mislead, I’ll explain them to you for the benefit of the audience. Anyone who thinks they can outthink Rav Moshe because they can’t fit all the pieces of his teshuva together, is obviously stupid.”
You did not even know his teshuvos until now, but you call others stupid. What does being mislead have to do with outthinking? The statistics he cited are incorrect. There are no two ways about it. They lied to Rav Moshe.
“If the ‘city map’ was accurate then he wasn’t misled.”
So the census is incorrect, but Rav Moshe’s information is correct? Stop this narishkeit.
“Rav Dovid Feinstein wrote that his father was told 2.5 million which is on par with census.”
No Rav Dovid”
Correct, but that is not what Rav Moshe wrote. Rav Moshe wrote close to three million. Neverminded, what Rav Dovid wrote regarding Flatbush, has little to do with his fathers shitos. Moreover, in Chicago Rav Dovid was vey clear that his fathers shita was 3 million. Hence, I am not sure what he was referring to regarding Flatbush.
“Rav Moshe starts the Flatbush teshuva with the number 600K in the ‘streets’. What does this mean? (Some of the mattirim say in the streets of the eiruv. It doesn’t read well and Rav Moshe rejects that shitah in a different teshuva.)”
It is very clear in the teshuvos that he maintains that the streets are over the 12 mil by 12 mil area. It clearly has nothing to do with the eruv.
“The inference of the whole teshuva is that Brooklyn is more than 12 mil and that there are ways different ways to measure it. Rav Moshe explains at one point why parts of Manhattan should not be counted in Brooklyn.”
No, the different ways of measuring is only regarding where one is standing, but he never wavers that Brooklyn is less than 12 mil by 12 mil (it is clearly less). In fact if one was to include part of Queens in the 12 mil area the population would be even less. Correct, Rav Moshe believes that the water is a separation and hence Manhattan would not be included in the 12 mil area (obviously he is referring to if one is living in Brooklyn closer to the water).
“Rav Moshe also says it wouldn’t need to be every day of the they year. It’s a very vague teshuva in terms of statistics.”
It is not vague at all. You are simply incorrect. Rav Moshe admits that since the Shulchan Aruch maintains that the criterion is every day we can be makil regarding this inyan. t’s the Shulchan Aruch’s leniency and therefore, Rav Moshe himself would agree that it’s possible to be lenient. More so, in the aforementioned teshuvos Rav Moshe states clearly (ibid., 1:139:5, 4:87, 5:28:16) that the requirement of shishim ribo is daily.
“One of the mattirim (Boro Park Eiruv) told me that if Rav Moshe would have written it slightly differently he would assur.”
I don’t if you are referring to Rav Shlomo Gross, but he said this many times. The point is he left room to allow an eruv. However, the fact is the statistics are not as Rav Moshe wrote them, so there is more reason to argue that Rav Moshe could have allowed an eruv.
“as if Rav Moshe was writing the teshuva for his benefit only. When you learn a teshuva you are supposed to consider the writer’s opinion and forget your own.”
Absolutely not. WE accept only what he wrote and nothing more.