n0mesorah,
“Several of my posts referenced the eiruvin vaadim. This started with Rav Aaron and Rav Moshe and did not have a halachic function.”
There was never any vaddim. The only Vaad that existed was the Manhattan Vaad, which actually built the eruv in 1962. The meetings that the Agudas Harabbanim convened were attended at times by Rav Moshe and Rav Aharon (but never by Rav Henkin). These meetings were not vaadim they were called to discuss issues. They put out a kol korei opposing the eruv after the Vaad published a kol korei supporting the eruv in 1962.
“In pure halacha, Rav Moshe was completely opposed to Rav Aaron’s shitta of RSHH”R. As much as Rav Moshe opposed any of the NYC eiruvin. This that I quoted the debate about Rav Moshe as going back to Rav Aaron, goes back to the Agudas Harrbanim. It’s not what you want to debate.”
For these rabbanim it was only about halachah. And no, you refferenced Rav Aharon’s shitos, and that is exactly what I rebuted. They were not on the same page at all. I highly doubt that you originally realized this fact.
“The many Talmedei Chachamim that sided with Rav Moshe since the 50s is about more than just hilchos eruvin. I know about it from the inside. Most of them would never sign on anything that has bigger leaders already dealing with it.”
Correct, it has to do with the fact that they did not know the inyan and so just followed the leader. Hence, their signatures are worthless. If thier reasons were meta halachah, then we can argue that it is apikorsis.
“I was not referring to the Kol Korei of R”Y. That had a different purpose.”
No, you were referring to that KK. It had the same purpose as the pro eruv KK, which you belittled because of the stature of the signors.
“There is also the disputes between Rav Tuvya Goldstein and his peers from the Yeshivos in Europe about what is halacha and what is called knowing the inyan.”
There was no such debate. In any case, there is no such a debate. Do not try to fit into this debate what you said previously, the issue that I called you out on, forgetting to mention the SA. The only debate can be halachic, period.
“This thread isn’t about my complaints. The OP wants to know why he would not face backlash from the YV for a kula in kashrus, but he would for the eiruv. I’ll debate you on the Rav Moshe’s opinion. B ut even if you are prove me wrong, it won’t help him not be shunned for carrying. That is the reality of today even if it’s based on wrong information.”
Your point is unclear.
“The YV takes the Brooklyn Eiruv personally. I think we agree on that.”
We do, and the reason for this is that they believe that no one knows the inyan.
“I only brought in Conservative Judaism for this part of the debate. If you just want to discuss the halacha or Rav Moshe’s teshuva, it doesn’t matter.”
can”t follow.
“Whatever you know about the Muzayer Rav would interst me. I only know him as the Nephew of the Satmar Rav. If I read your post right, he was the one who sent Rav Moshe the map with incorrect information.”
No, he sent the correct statistics (although I don’t believe they actually showed it to Rav Moshe). Hence, Rav Moshe mentioned his gezeria. But someone then told Rav Moshe that close to 3 million people reside in Brooklyn and that a million people come into the borough.
“A correction. I never said Rav Moshe used the census.”
You mentioned Rav Dovid knew the census by heart. Clearly you are inferring that this informed Rav Moshe’s opinion.
“It really doesn’t matter what the exact population of Brooklyn is. This is critical to Rav Moshe’s teshuva. I intend to get to all of that in another post.”
It sure does. Please don’t waste my time learn the inyan first.
“the eiruv I’m referring to is not even known by most of the people who live inside of it. It was constructed within the last ten years. There have been over a dozen eiruvin constructed within it’s perimeter since then. And every single one makes a bracha.”
And who says that this is a problem. Besides for which, I don’t believe people do not know about it, and so its their choice albeit incorrect to do so lechatchilah.