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(I apologize in advance for the length of this post.)
There is so much that could be said in reply, I can’t remember all the points I wanted to contest. But I do remember a few (not in any particular order).
“Quote me a Rambam and I’ll quote you an Abarbanel.”
Even before 1994 Lubavichers were saying that the Rambam is a sefer Halocho and that that is what is relevant, not other Rishonim or Achronim who aren’t paskening. (This is exactly the same reasoning Lubavichers use when arguing that the branches of the menora were straight and not round. The Rambam says so, so other meforshim don’t count against Halocho.) To now say that Moshiach can come from the dead because the Abarbanel apparently says so is disingenuous.
“I dont know where ur getting the idea that we dont know the rebbe was from king david. He himself testified that his father is from zera dovid in an edited sicha. We have the rebbes family background recorded. He is related to the alter rebbe, who is related to the maharal who is related to dovid hamelech. None of this is disputed by anyone in entire lubavitch.”
Sorry for the long quote but I wanted to give everyone out there the opportunity to enjoy it once again. The proof that he is from zera Dovid is… (drumroll)… he himself said so! And his family connection is recorded with NO ONE IN LUBAVITCH disputing it! Well, then. That’s good enough, isn’t it? How very woke! The Lubavicher rebbe identifies as zera Dovid, so we take his word for it. If he identifies as Mashiach we’ll take his word for it. edited
And one other point on the Davidic claim: the claim is that the line goes through Rashi, who had no sons, so that line is not ben achar ben.
You claim that people have other issues against Lubavich, not just the Mashiach matter. I agree with you!
As I have written in other threads, I have been in very close contact with Lubavichers – both familially and parnossa-wise – for many many many years. And that means decades before 1994. Even before they started hounding us about Mashiach, they were hounding us about the “correct” things we should be learning, the “correct” way to put on tefillin, the “correct” nusach to daven, the “correct” days to celebrate etc. Everyone else was wrong or at the very best, insignificant. There were no other tzaddikim and no other gedolei Yisrael. People who slept in the sukkah were shallow or stupid, as were people who ate Seudah Shlishis. Everybody was mechuyav to recite Chumash-Tehillim-Tanya, aka Chitas, daily. Everyone was mechuyav to learn Rambam daily. Everyone was mechuyav to learn mesechta Sotah during Sefirah. And the list goes on.
As the Kohein Gadol said on Yom Kippur (and no, I am not chas veShalom comparing myself to him, just using a quote) יותר ממה שקריתי יש כאן. There’s a lot more to say, but I think you get the point.
One final thing I’d like to say. I really liked Yserblus’ statement that it doesn’t say anywhere in the Torah that Mashiach can’t be a purple monkey. Very clever, and VERY to the point!