Here are two examples of something you might hear.
1. “There is chochmo in the world you cannot attain by learning Torah” or “Many civilizations brought to the table chochmo we wouldn’t have through Torah study”.
2. A constant comparing of the Torah as a subject similar to any other subject.
(How and why this is the case is due to the ulterior motives- left to your imagination).
These conversations are very complex. One example: These groups have lines from Reshonim or early Achronim (we hold of) that may at first glance sound like the agenda they are pushing.
THIS is where the conversation of Mesorah truly comes into play.
Put simply, one can’t just take random lines from different reshonim and Achranim that when combined push a new line of thinking that the vast majority clearly did not hold off and would outright be horrified.