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A) I am not Chabad….
Irrelevant to the discussion
B) Most people don’t care about theology. When it is printed in some public forum, most people read right past it.
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Theology promulgated by your rabbanim and backed by your rebbi ? Theology regarding identity of mashiach ? theology re timing of his coming ? theology re existence of nevua ?
Come On ……
Seems like am older than you and have seen more than you .
Remember those times myself . ALL RELIGIOUS JEWS followed the escalating pronouncements from 770.
This argument reminds of a cave man who has never seen the sun trying to convince the guy standing outside that the sun does not exist .
I WAS THERE . I LIVED THROUGH THOSE TIMES . I MYSELF ….. You are telling me whether people were or were not paying attention ….Totally Absurd .
C) Associating ideas (Such as the reebe is moshiach.) with theological notions, is not theology. It is polemics or propaganda. Or it has another meaning. This thinking tool is so crucial to any conversation about the Ikkarim, that I doubt you have any real grasp on them.
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So here you are at odds with the habad rabbanim mashpi’im and their rebbe himself . They used theology . they based it on theology . They proved it from theology .
D) I think that when one only sees emunah problems by one group of yidden, that it is hate.
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Circular argument . Your statement is only valid if at the conclusion of the argument it has been established that they be’emet have no ‘problems’ [as you call them] and one still ‘sees’ clear non existent problems.
E) My understanding is that prophecy is always attainable. The fact that we are lacking in even one prophet giving directives to others, doesn’t have any significance to me.
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Last recorded nevua I know of is Chagai Zecharia and Malachi.
Am happy to be updated with more [concrete names and dates please plus acceptance by klal yisrael]
F) I understand most of The Rebbe’s teachings in a kabbalistic sense. I don’t know what you think about them.
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the relevant ‘teachings’ to this discussion [time of mashiachs arrival , identity of mashiach , nevua] are not kabbalistic at all .
G) I see Lubavitcher teachings as a whole much more traditional then most other groups.
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How The other teachings ‘are seen’ is a matter of opinion [they might be seen by other people the same or different] and in my eyes irrelevant here . The issue I mentioned are those mashiach / nevua pronouncements mentioned before , and they are clearly ‘not traditional ‘.
H) Not every word of Torah that is taught is intended to fit with every other word that was ever taught.
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So ?
And this is were Chabad is getting hit from both sides. When there is an internal rational for something that Chabad is already doing, (Like not sleeping in the sukkah.) then it is seen as an affront to others, Why don’t you realize that it is merely a justification for what they do, and is not intended for others (that do sleep in the sukkah)?
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never mentioned anything about the sukka , [although it is problematic]
But then when Chabad spreads their core teachings that most groups are oblivious to, then it is “don’t you realize that we are not Chabad”?!?! So then why did you assume that the other stuff applied to you. (Chabad isn’t going around that others should not sleep in the sukkah to bring the geulah.)
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again , never mentioned anything about that either [although I understand where they are coming from ]
And what is even funnier, is that you have a whole bunch of missionaries on this site, for Zionism, Anti Zionism, College Degrees, No Secular Education, Republicans, Democrats, Trump, and nobody tells them these are not important in my crowd. Comes along a Lubavitcher and hints to how moshiach will enlighten the world, and all of a sudden, it’s how dare you bring that up to us! We know that an Anti Zionist, Democrat like Trump with no secular education is what the world really needs!!!!!!!!!!!
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again , never mentioned anything about that either