Reply To: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher

ARSo,

You never addressed my references to two books published by Lubavicher chassidim which clearly indicate that the Lubavicher rebbe wanted to be rebbe after the Rayatz.

I don’t recall the references. I’m actually quite interested.
Please let me know how I can find them or what it says.

I understand that you may be reticent to accept Deitsch’s version

I’ll accept it if he presents factual proofs (Lubavitchers are always looking for hints that the Rebbe actually accepted himself as Rebbe, since they are so rare).

If he gives theories, I may as well rely on your theories instead.

(According to all the facts and letters known to me from that time period, chassidim were begging and pressuring the Rebbe to accept, and he kept refusing. He claimed that he wasn’t qualified for the job. He even said that if they continue pressuring him he would flee, and they would never find him.
He finally relented (to an extent) at the first yahrtzeit, while still referring to his father-in-law as nossi, and going often to his ohel, etc.)

5783, it’s great to have you post occasionally because all Menachem’s efforts to show how reasonable and logical Lubavich theology is, are contradicted when you come along and show how radical and ridiculous it all is!

Just pointing out that 5783 definitely doesn’t represent Lubavitch in any way, since he is a passionate anti-Lubavitcher (check out his posts).
Just in case you didn’t notice that.
(However, it does seem that he hung out with Lubavitchers a lot, as he picked up a lot of Lubavitch lingo (again, evident from his posts).

Have you never seen a Lubavicher telling a Litvak who puts on tefillin by winding it inwards…

Indeed, I have never seen a Lubavitcher telling a Litvak this.

I don’t think that this is even a true reason for our minhag. I’ve heard it mentioned before in jest.

Don’t litvishers also have cute one-liners to tease chassidim about some of their differences in minhagim? I hear them all the time.

as a group you (perhaps not you personally) belittle other shitos … But then don’t get upset with those of us who consider Lubavichers close to meisisim umadichim

Whatever. This complaint is a never-ending cycle.

This is how a Lubavitcher could have worded it:
“As a group, you consider us meisisim umadichim, so then don’t get upset when we belittle your shitos.”

Menachem: “I disagree with many of your examples”

I don’s see why. They are all examples that I and others have personally witnessed.

These are examples of things that I agree Lubavitchers often spread:

-Shabbos candles (was a mivtza of the Rebbe. Many rabbanim had correspondence with the Rebbe on the matter)

-Melech haMoshiach stickers and posters (a group of Lubavitchers are really into publicizing these, even thought the Rebbe (and many other Lubavitchers) wasn’t too happy with this).

-Navi/Nassi (they believe it’s the truth, so the more people who know the better)

Examples that I’ve never seen Lubavitchers spread (and I don’t think it’s part of the Chabad agenda):

-Learning nigleh on Shabbos (every Chabad yeshiva has a Gemara seder on Shabbos)

-Learning nigleh before davening (while looked down on in yeshivos, it is quite common among baalei batim. Many daf yomi shiurim before shachris in Chabad shuls in Crown Heights and other communities. This is definitely not something Lubavitchers try to impose on others).

-Eating gebroks is wrong (they might not allow someone to eat it in their home on Pesach, but never heard of trying to get other people to stop)

-Putting on tefillin differently (never seen this before. As I mentioned in earlier in this post)